People involved		Uluru Kata-Tjuta National Park The next morning the delegation were met by Traditional Owners and Uluru-Kata Tjuta Park staff; Joanne Wilmott (Chairperson Board of Management), Tony Tjamiwa (Traditional Owner and Member of the Board of Management), Alan Oldroyd (Park Manager) and Linda Rive (Ranger and interpreter). Tony Tjamiwa explained to us how in 1985 the Federal government agreed to grant Traditional Owners title for the area in the name of the Katiti Land Trust. However, this fell short of absolute freehold as it was conditional upon the Traditional Owners leasing it back to government for 99 years and enshrining a role for government in the management of the park.   Uluru Cultural Centre We were shown around the Centre at Mutitjulu by Tony Tjamiwa. He explained the stories of the ancestral beings - Kuniya, Liru, Kurpany and Mala and talked about traditional wild foods, men and women's law, traditional skills and traditions. We were also interested to hear about joint management in the park. The Park Board has 10 members with an aborigional majority of 6. They ensure that working together means making sure that the Tjukurpa (cultural code) comes first in park planning and management. "Uluru and Kata Tjuta are safe at last! The elder women and the elder men are completely happy. The children and dogs are happy. Everything is happy because we Anangu have been given back our Aboriginal land. We've been given back our Aboriginal spirit" (Nellie Patterson).   After lunch we travelled to the point at Uluru where people climb 'the rock'. The Pitjantjatjara and Yanjunytjatjara people, who are the Traditional Owners of the area, have made it very clear that they do not want people to climb it. They prefer that people respect the cultural significance of Uluru and, of course, we respected this. It was here that Tony Tjamiwa showed us sacred objects and paintings as we walked around it's perimeter of the rock. We were impressed by the forthright nature with which Tony dismissed attempts by tourists to photograph the delegation as the Maasai particularly are subject to invasive photography at tourist destinations.